abhishek singh, Apartment Resident
Q: Right now there is no project in NOida where in you could get rate of Approx 3500 Rs per square feet Basic and we all invested here in the same rate bracket.........Now they are seeing this as gold mine because everywhere rates are approx Rs 4200 per sq ft basic rate .....They are demanding that all investors in Ajnara Ambrosia should withdraw their amount given to the builder and now after 5-6 months they will sell the same inventory at the rate of RS 4500-5000 per sq ft.............I might be wrong but something is fishy with Ajnara Ambrosia now........I have come to known that Ajnara is scrapping this project due to land problems.......But how can such reputed builder do this ??? Either this is game played by the builder or some consortium........Any inside story Please or comment ?? I have also invested in this project in last May 2012....There is hardly any response from the Ajnara office...
My replies to this discussion
I met Mr. Tyagi on 05.10.13 thinking that group meeting planned on this forum, will happen. But on reaching there learnt from Mr. Pramod Gupta over telephone that it will happen this week. In anycase Mr. Tyagi said land issues have been sorted out between NA and farmers two months back and they were confident of launch in sept end. However, the redesigned maps are still to be okayed by NA. so may be by DIWALI they will launch as sr. management of ajnara is trying hard for approvals. Dont know if that can be believed.I met Mr. Tyagi on 05.10.13 thinking that group meeting planned on this forum, will happen. But on reaching there learnt from Mr. Pramod Gupta over telephone that it will happen this week. In anycase Mr. Tyagi said land issues have been sorted out between NA and farmers two months back and they were confident of launch in sept end. However, the redesigned maps are still to be okayed by NA. so may be by DIWALI they will launch as sr. management of ajnara is trying hard for approvals. Dont know if that can be believed.
May be the recent verdict of Hon'ble Allahabad High Court ordering demolition of two Supertech Towers in their Project Emerald Court due to violation of building norms is the cause of problem in Tower H. It is just a wild guess. But the verdict is good for us in that arbitrary construction and change in FAR can be challenged legally.May be the recent verdict of Hon'ble Allahabad High Court ordering demolition of two Supertech Towers in their Project Emerald Court due to violation of building norms is the cause of problem in Tower H. It is just a wild guess. But the verdict is good for us in that arbitrary construction and change in FAR can be challenged legally.
I will definitely be there on 11.00 am. I suggest one of us to become convener of this group to facilitate things. My no. is 8742907895, sector 5, vaishali, gzb. I appeal to all to be present on 14 th December at 10..00 am as proposed above.I will definitely be there on 11.00 am. I suggest one of us to become convener of this group to facilitate things. My no. is 8742907895, sector 5, vaishali, gzb. I appeal to all to be present on 14 th December at 10..00 am as proposed above.
Much awaited meeting happened between 10-11 buyers present and Mr. Lalit and one Ms. Neha, if I correctly recall her name. They showed us copy of letter dated 11.12.13 issued by Noida Authority to M/s IVRCL (again if i correctly remember) for building one housing society in sector 118 noida. IVRCL as per them is joint venture of Ajnara and supertech or something like that. I was demanding to see the agreement btn. Ajnara and supertech but other persons mentioned that there is only one (each) project ajnara -supertech so no need to further verify. So for now it may be taken that approvals have been obtained. They didn't part with its copy to any buyer and Lalit jee promised he will mail its copy. Revised layout plan with provision for more towers as now land area has been increased to 18, something acres from 16. something acres was shown to us. I captured it on my device and will make available on indian real estate forum as i dont see any attachment option avlbl here.Much awaited meeting happened between 10-11 buyers present and Mr. Lalit and one Ms. Neha, if I correctly recall her name. They showed us copy of letter dated 11.12.13 issued by Noida Authority to M/s IVRCL (again if i correctly remember) for building one housing society in sector 118 noida. IVRCL as per them is joint venture of Ajnara and supertech or something like that. I was demanding to see the agreement btn. Ajnara and supertech but other persons mentioned that there is only one (each) project ajnara -supertech so no need to further verify. So for now it may be taken that approvals have been obtained. They didn't part with its copy to any buyer and Lalit jee promised he will mail its copy. Revised layout plan with provision for more towers as now land area has been increased to 18, something acres from 16. something acres was shown to us. I captured it on my device and will make available on indian real estate forum as i dont see any attachment option avlbl here.
Mr. Kapil on indianrealestate forum has mentioned that "boundary work has already started........." , has any body visited the site and seen the progress.Mr. Kapil on indianrealestate forum has mentioned that "boundary work has already started........." , has any body visited the site and seen the progress.
From little understanding of S.T by doing its audit for 4 years I wish to share following points: Point of taxation- i.e. ST becomes payable on either raising of invoice ( bill) or on receipt of consideration (money) which ever is earlier. This means on part payment service tax on that part payment is only payable. Regarding rate as mentioned in my earlier post it is 3.09% (3%-ST+ .06%-E Cess +.03%-SHE Cess) on BSP+Car Parking, On rest of the other charges it has to be 12.36% in the current financial year. On lease rent also it should be 12.36%. However, if AJNARA as sb mentioned in previous post mentioned decides to include as BSP it will be 3.09%. Again ST is payable only on under construction property only, so if sb purchases flat after Completion Certificate has been obtained by builder no ST is payable, but till then obviously rates would go much higher. Further, 75% abatement on S.T. is available only on property whose value is ethr less than rs. 1 crore or From little understanding of S.T by doing its audit for 4 years I wish to share following points: Point of taxation- i.e. ST becomes payable on either raising of invoice ( bill) or on receipt of consideration (money) which ever is earlier. This means on part payment service tax on that part payment is only payable. Regarding rate as mentioned in my earlier post it is 3.09% (3%-ST+ .06%-E Cess +.03%-SHE Cess) on BSP+Car Parking, On rest of the other charges it has to be 12.36% in the current financial year. On lease rent also it should be 12.36%. However, if AJNARA as sb mentioned in previous post mentioned decides to include as BSP it will be 3.09%. Again ST is payable only on under construction property only, so if sb purchases flat after Completion Certificate has been obtained by builder no ST is payable, but till then obviously rates would go much higher. Further, 75% abatement on S.T. is available only on property whose value is ethr less than rs. 1 crore or
Hello All, instead of getting updates and being in dark, download one RTI form from noida authority site, fill in your query, dispatch it to the PIO at the address given in form itself with rs. 10 IPO and you will surely get answer within the prescribed maximum period of one moth. It is very easy if you attach rs. 40 IPO you write that you wish to received reply from speed post and you have paid the cost in IPO, you will get answer in speed post. As Gandhiji has remarked "If u want to get a thing done, do it youself, else leave it to others"Hello All, instead of getting updates and being in dark, download one RTI form from noida authority site, fill in your query, dispatch it to the PIO at the address given in form itself with rs. 10 IPO and you will surely get answer within the prescribed maximum period of one moth. It is very easy if you attach rs. 40 IPO you write that you wish to received reply from speed post and you have paid the cost in IPO, you will get answer in speed post. As Gandhiji has remarked "If u want to get a thing done, do it youself, else leave it to others"
From little understanding of S.T by doing its audit for 4 years I wish to share following points: Point of taxation- i.e. ST becomes payable on either raising of invoice ( bill) or on receipt of consideration (money) which ever is earlier. This means on part payment service tax on that part payment is only payable. Regarding rate as mentioned in my earlier post it is 3.09% (3%-ST+ .06%-E Cess +.03%-SHE Cess) on BSP+Car Parking, On rest of the other charges it has to be 12.36% in the current financial year. On lease rent also it should be 12.36%. However, if AJNARA as sb mentioned in previous post mentioned decides to include as BSP it will be 3.09%. Again ST is payable only on under construction property only, so if sb purchases flat after Completion Certificate has been obtained by builder no ST is payable, but till then obviously rates would go much higher. Further, 75% abatement on S.T. is available only on property whose value is ethr less than rs. 1 crore or From little understanding of S.T by doing its audit for 4 years I wish to share following points: Point of taxation- i.e. ST becomes payable on either raising of invoice ( bill) or on receipt of consideration (money) which ever is earlier. This means on part payment service tax on that part payment is only payable. Regarding rate as mentioned in my earlier post it is 3.09% (3%-ST+ .06%-E Cess +.03%-SHE Cess) on BSP+Car Parking, On rest of the other charges it has to be 12.36% in the current financial year. On lease rent also it should be 12.36%. However, if AJNARA as sb mentioned in previous post mentioned decides to include as BSP it will be 3.09%. Again ST is payable only on under construction property only, so if sb purchases flat after Completion Certificate has been obtained by builder no ST is payable, but till then obviously rates would go much higher. Further, 75% abatement on S.T. is available only on property whose value is ethr less than rs. 1 crore or
Service tax is chargeable at following rates (Value of residential complex +car parking)@3.09% (i.e. 25% of 12.36% of S.T) on other charges where there is no transfer of material thing but only service portion (PLC, powerbackup, FFC, EEC etc.)@12.36%. and there should be no S.T on lease rent (for residential complexes). It may be mentioned here that rates of S.T. are decided each year during budget so it may remain same or change.Service tax is chargeable at following rates (Value of residential complex +car parking)@3.09% (i.e. 25% of 12.36% of S.T) on other charges where there is no transfer of material thing but only service portion (PLC, powerbackup, FFC, EEC etc.)@12.36%. and there should be no S.T on lease rent (for residential complexes). It may be mentioned here that rates of S.T. are decided each year during budget so it may remain same or change.
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My dear friends, please find below my perception on this: 1) You have got an email from dimple = Did she confirm you in email that project has got all the approvals?? 2) Builder has posted an adv in newspaper= has he confirmed that project has launched and it has got all the approval. Builder posted such adv 1.5 yr back..does this means project is on?? 3) Has builder shared all the approvals to any of you or has confirmed same in written?? 4) Can you see site boundary been covered by builder by any mean?? 5) IS there any bank which is ready to give you loan on this project?? 6) have you guys approached Noida authority and got confirmation that this project has got all the approvals?? If answer of all the above questions is NO then the project status is still same as it for last 1.5 yrs. Per me approval are not yet received by builder and they are buying time by doing all these things.
This might be true, because when I visited Ajnara office on 4 jan 14, Neha told me that site map etc have already been sent to banks like corporation, hdfc, idbi and pnb housing finance. So I inquired from IDBI bank, lajpat nagar branch from where most of the ajnara project in noida/g.noida are funded, they said status is same as before and even wondered how supertech has started work. However, I have requested my contact in IDBI bank to inquire further about approval etc. and will share if some relevant information is received.
8th January 2014

Went till the excavation point on saturday....work has started at both points/projects good pace too...I got the loan approved from ICICI now they are asking for me to take a Home protect insurance which is expensive as they are including the premium in the loan amount so charging interest on that too...any experienced member can help us in choosing the right product ...
Paying interest on loan protection is waste, when I pointed this to ICICI agent, he offered me another plan where 30 lakh loan is protected for 10 years in rs. 50000 payable in 5 yearly installments without any interest etc. However, you can get much more insurance covered in the same price in term life insurance.
17th February 2014

Hello Mr Ajay have you read the comment of Mr Shoyeb Irfan its clear the message that ajnara executive donot know y they are asking for 5% . Moreover wether you have checked from ICICI and HDFC main head office or main branch of noida about the approvals of all the documents because what ever these banks executive say thats not reliable unless and untill you will not get clarification from main branch as these executives are just doing jobs and want to complete their targets and who knows that these executives are right or wrong unless and untill you will not sure so if any body sure in our group that there is no problem in project only then its come for further step if no body sure how can you say that project is clear. As Ajnara persons also donot know about the facts so if we plan to meet on ajanara then we must meet ajnara owner not any executive. Thanks
""The approval of project is coming"', this is what Dimple said to ICICI banker of Gurgaon bank who isknown to me. He inquired about the project because I said that the bank and their some channel partner -Ashish Bansal is just charging 2800 rs as processing fee and he said that there is no such scheme on processing fee which is around 6600. When I gave Dimple's no. to him this is what she had to say. So it is clear that all is not clear about approvals. But advt. in paper twice, on FM channels suggest that builder is confident of launch. Also same thing is with Supertech Romano project whose advt. hoardings can be seen at UP more in Kaushambi area. I clarified this thing from Ashish Bansal who told that all papers have been received and only some technical formality which is a thing between bank and builder is pending. He also boasted that banks will be starting disbursement in 1-2 days. Dont know whom to trust.
23rd January 2014

Hi Tushar I just googled it and found this for ETV ajnara check the link:- http://www.news18.com/videos/ajnara-working-hand-in-glove-with-noida-authority-duping-property-buyers-319662.html
संघे शक्ति कलियुगे (Unity is strength in this dark age of KALI). Friends it is high time that we fight this issue unitedly. How long can we wait. The Authority letter shown to in last meeting where 10-12 people had come to AJNARA office was addressed to IVRCL or like that. There was only mention of Sector 118 and not mention of AMBROSIA, AJNARA or even Supertech. I had pointed this but other members said only one project is there in 118 so it will be ajnara and supertech only. Till date no clear picture is coming from builder. TRANSPARENCY is call of today so what if ""Real Estate Regulatory Bill"" is yet to be passed in parliament. We must prod the builder on every issue approval, payment, how they have arrived at carpet area etc. For 1.5 years they are enjoying our money and giving fake promises. PROTEST is least we can do, so I urge minimum 20 persons to give their time this Saturday and meet some topguy in AJNARA.
8th January 2014

I will definitely be there on 11.00 am. I suggest one of us to become convener of this group to facilitate things. My no. is 8742907895, sector 5, vaishali, gzb. I appeal to all to be present on 14 th December at 10..00 am as proposed above.
read as 11.00 am in third line.
6th December 2013

Much awaited meeting happened between 10-11 buyers present and Mr. Lalit and one Ms. Neha, if I correctly recall her name. They showed us copy of letter dated 11.12.13 issued by Noida Authority to M/s IVRCL (again if i correctly remember) for building one housing society in sector 118 noida. IVRCL as per them is joint venture of Ajnara and supertech or something like that. I was demanding to see the agreement btn. Ajnara and supertech but other persons mentioned that there is only one (each) project ajnara -supertech so no need to further verify. So for now it may be taken that approvals have been obtained. They didn't part with its copy to any buyer and Lalit jee promised he will mail its copy. Revised layout plan with provision for more towers as now land area has been increased to 18, something acres from 16. something acres was shown to us. I captured it on my device and will make available on indian real estate forum as i dont see any attachment option avlbl here.
Further they revealed that buyers will start getting calls regarding confirmation of their bookings from this Monday only. Welcome Letter, BBA and Demand Letter will be sent to each in 10-15 days time. Construction will start in January end. Exit possible after 50% payment and paying administrative fee. So happy christmas from AJNARA seems now a real possibility. But as they say seeing is believing so celebration can wait till then.
14th December 2013

hello guys i would like to say that we should talked this matter in media so that such kind of builders should be heaavely punished as they are just making moneys from innocent homebyers and making fools to them as we have recently seen in campa cola case in mumbai so now its a good time as elections are upcoming so in this we get good response as well as i would like to say that if we directly talked to builder regarding this matter and also we can advise him if any body wants to withdraw thier appartment then he or she must get as per today rate compansations i want to say that as mostly peoples have paid 400,000 rs and now approximately 1000 rs is increased in BSP so builder give atleast in between 750-900 rs incriment to all appartments holders for withdraw . its my personel thinking what you all say i would be with you thanks dr j s bedi
You are correct sir, but before that all are requested to file one compaint on /credaincr.org/consumer-grievance-redressal-forum-step-1.php
16th November 2013

ok. so I called almost all those whose phone numbers are listed above and many of them confirmed coming to the meeting. Hopefully we will have more than 15 turnouts. Someone mentioned that he was reached by a TV correspondent about Ajnara mis treatment of the investors and he sent the correspondent a video recording. If you could please share here the contact info of the TV reporter, it will be great as many of us can call him/ her to express our concern and get it all in the story that would be aired on TV. Ajnara deserves this. Unless we put some pressure we wont get a real answer from the builder. thanks to all who confirmed on phone their presence at the upcoming meeting. Ajay
Thanks to Mr. Sharma for calling each one of us. For those who are unaware of Ajnara Office address , it is Corporate Office Ajnara India Ltd. D-247/26, Sector-63 Noida - 201 301 Phone: +91 120 4166777 Fax: +91 120 4193953 Email: ajnara@ajnara.com. See it on google maps.
12th December 2013

thanks a lot Nimit. looks like the meeting was quite productive. I wonder if its necessary to get the bank approvals before we make the next payment? Sure we dont want to put more money in an uncertain project but if they have the map approval (of the new layout) then shouldnt we be good with it? Bank approvals generally confirm that all documents are in order as banks do their due diligence before approving a project for bank loan. so it does give peace of mind. but if they show to us a copy of the map/ layout with signature and stamp of govt officials, then bank approvals will come soon. anybody in this group who knows about these technical details, please share your knowledge. thanks Ajay
The map shown to us was just normal printed layout as found in brochure. Moreover, only when the project becomes bankable and that too from any public sector banks should we consider the project approved. There are so many clearances needed from different authorities that only banks or similar institutions can verify them and not individual buyers like us. So it will only be in our own interest to make second payment after any of the bank agrees to finance the property.
16th December 2013

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